Author Topic: The Rules (Read 936 times)

Dejon Hamann · « **on:** September 08, 2009, 08:58:08 AM »

2009 Fips-Mouche Competitive Fly Fishing Rules and Regulations:
http://troutlegend.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/english.pdf

I've posted the rules here not only so we can learn to follow them, but most importantly so we can figure out how to break them! Some of the greatest advancements in competitive fly fishing and progressive fish catching techniques came about in this very way.

Mark Hanes · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2009, 10:40:59 AM »

So would a thin level fly line be legal. Cortland used to make a Deep nymphing line that I have and use it is a fly line and deadly for feeling the bottom and detecting strikes!!

It is fly line that acts a little bit like Mono.

Chris Smith · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:18:30 PM »

Where does a judge draw the line between a fly and a strike indicator?

I know guys who fish foam bodied "dries" that look like indicators, but they have hooks. Based upon what I've heard, that constitutes a fly.

Could I take a Cortland pinch-on indicator, apply it to the hook, and do the same? Just saying...

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:37:56 PM »

Pa, I don't see anything that would negate the use of a "thin" fly line.

wv, that's a tough one. I think within the Fips-Mouch community this is one of those "good intention" rules. Meaning, if the controller or judge feels you had "good intentions" to construct a fly then you're within the rules. Just fixing a pinch-on-indicator to a hook probably wouldn't pass. I've heard (not substantiated yet) that they are cracking down on people who are merely tying a balloon to a hook or just tying some yarn on a hook. However, what is a Chernobyl Ant? It's a foam indicator with legs. See what I'm saying? The rules state that flies must be "dressed on a single hook". So, instead of putting a pinch-on indicator on a hook... dress it up. Give it a little hackle, some short legs, etc. And call it a "Bright Butt Ant". Get creative.

Mark Hanes · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:50:07 PM »

Legal?? The indicator fly.

http://www.theflystop.com/aecommerce/product/182/orginal1.jpg

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2009, 04:13:36 PM »

Quote from: FlyFisherPA on September 08, 2009, 03:50:07 PM

Legal?? The indicator fly.
http://www.theflystop.com/aecommerce/product/182/orginal1.jpg

I'd say yes.

Paul Colcord · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2009, 11:25:10 AM »

How about egg patterns? I didn't see anything about them but there's always rumors.

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2009, 04:37:44 PM »

Legal.

Mark Hanes · « **Reply #8 on:** September 13, 2009, 05:39:19 PM »

you can use egg patterns?? i was under the impression that was a no no.

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2009, 05:46:28 PM »

It's just a fly. I don't see anywhere in the regulations that would negate it. I mean, we are talking about suckerspawn, globugs, etc, right? Obviously you can't use a troutbead larger than 4mm.

Mark Hanes · « **Reply #10 on:** September 13, 2009, 05:52:06 PM »

Interesting but the only real use for them would be stocky bashing rainbows. If that was the case you could clean up.

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:46:14 PM »

I just verified with my Team USA resource that both egg flies and braided/furled leaders are legal (without loops though).

Eugene Shuler · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2009, 06:30:35 PM »

Egg flies are legal under FIPS MOUCHE, however, when you get to most comps, the comp committe will say they are not legal under thier amendments to the rules. I really don't see the point of makig eggs illegal, fish don't suck them down any diffrently than an insect.

Mark Hanes · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2009, 07:52:04 PM »

I know there were illegal at nationals this year but that was more of a result of the spawning trout issue. Which in streams that are that high spawning would have been less than ideal for most of the trout.

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:39:07 AM »

Quote from: T.E.Shuler on December 20, 2009, 06:30:35 PM

Egg flies are legal under FIPS MOUCHE, however, when you get to most comps, the comp committe will say they are not legal under thier amendments to the rules. I really don't see the point of makig eggs illegal, fish don't suck them down any diffrently than an insect.

I really agree with you here Eugene. In fact, I'd go as far as saying outlawing any specific "type" of fly tied legally under the "fly dressing" statutes as asinine. What's next? Are controllers going to have thick books with "outlawed" fly pictures of which they have to inspect every single fly before you fish? Will we be outlawing worms, boobies, blobs, and any fly that has a luminosity rating higher than a sheet of white paper?

? I think it's usually a last ditch effort by local authorities to "smooth" over potential catch rates with local green groups. Silly.

Rich Strolis · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2009, 09:21:08 AM »

I have a question, maybe it's stupid, I don't know but maybe you competition guys could fill me in. I realize that indicators are outlawed in these competitions, and from what I can tell, maybe I'm wrong but it seems to be the only method that can be employed by an angler that can't be used. Why is that? From everything Ive read on the internet , fishing without one is supposedly the most effective way. Does the decision to outlaw the indicator hinge on the concept that it is unsporting, or too easy? I don't understand this rule, nor do I understand the rule that one cannot add extra weight to their leader. If the reasoning behind this is for environmental reasons, it seems kind of silly as most if not all weighted flies have tungsten, lead or some other thing in them to get down and if lost are ending up in the drink anyway. Im sorry if I appear to be ignorant on this issue, I am just wondering the thought process on this as I would think in order to have a competition that could be determine the top angler, I would think all methods aside from blatant snagging would be allowed. Just curious here, let me know. Thanks

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2009, 09:38:21 AM »

Rich, I believe the primary reason is to differentiate this sport as "fly fishing" rather than "coarse" or "float" fishing... of which it could easily be defined if you could use "moveable floating indicators" and "external weight".

Nick Naclerio · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:49:04 AM »

Dejon you are probally correct but is fishing with 30ft of mono fly fishing? I'm more guilty of fishing that way than anyone. I think the answer is if your using flies its fly fishing. I just find it funny that people work around the rules and came up with something that hardly looks like fly fishing.

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:59:49 AM »

Quote from: Nick Naclerio on December 21, 2009, 10:49:04 AM

Dejon you are probally correct but is fishing with 30ft of mono fly fishing? I'm more guilty of fishing that way than anyone. I think the answer is if your using flies its fly fishing. I just find it funny that people work around the rules and came up with something that hardly looks like fly fishing.

30ft? Yes. 31ft? No.

What is "fly fishing" really anyhoot? It's all a game to pass the time and have some fun.

Nick Naclerio · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2009, 11:09:23 AM »

What about 30' 6''?

I agree 110%. As long as your having fun that is all that matters. Come to think of it I should try casting rubber worms for bass on my 8wt.

Rich Strolis · « **Reply #20 on:** December 21, 2009, 12:39:37 PM »

Quote from: Nick Naclerio on December 21, 2009, 10:49:04 AM

Dejon you are probally correct but is fishing with 30ft of mono fly fishing? I'm more guilty of fishing that way than anyone. I think the answer is if your using flies its fly fishing. I just find it funny that people work around the rules and came up with something that hardly looks like fly fishing.

I hear you on that one too. The other thing is this, some people look at weighted flies as non fly fishing too. I am just posing a question here, nothing more. I employ all of these tactics, and am just looking for some answers to this comp question, please don't read into it in any other way than just that. Pretty interesting stuff. Just kind of wondering the basis behind it all, seems to me the rules favor the people overseas a bit more as we here in the states are more attuned to bobber fishing LOL

Jason Baker · « **Reply #21 on:** December 21, 2009, 02:22:59 PM »

Rules are rules, however:

You can fish a worm or an egg, but not a brassie? Kinda silly :-)

Rich Strolis · « **Reply #22 on:** December 21, 2009, 03:45:42 PM »

I guess us outsiders who don't make em just have to live with em right? Oh well, just wondering, thanks for the insight though. I guess that's why I will never compete in fishing, it's not why I do it, but I do have respect for all of you who do, and like said before, would love to help you out if I can.....Good luck...

John Knight · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2010, 01:06:17 PM »

Flies that are obviously tied to break the rule will not be allowed.
If you you realy need a strike indicator - use the Orvis Doc Cork - orange and you'll be albe to see it all day. You still must tie off the tag, and use tags for the dropper flies as well.
I have taught tons of people to fish Fips Mouche and most all have liked the cleaner line of 'no indicator and no split shot'.
Go simple and catch lots!!

JK

Dejon Hamann · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2010, 08:14:14 PM »

John,

Welcome to the forum man! Great to have you here.

Just curious. I haven't dabbled with them yet, but do you guys consider balloons illegal? Obviously incorporated into a sensible fly design. In the same vein those new unibobbers?

Also, you bring up a good point I'm still just slightly confused on : must flies be tied to droppers???

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28.6. All flies must be attached to the leader in such a way that neither they nor their droppers move or slide along the leader material.

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